Interview with Juliet Amoroso about The Trillium Path (formerly known as the waking down path)
Eduardo: Hi Juliet, how are you?
Juliet: Hi Eduardo, I’m well.
Eduardo: Good. I understand you recently had an awakening. How would you describe it?
Juliet: Well, the event was a feeling of ‘I’m here.’ A sense of I’m fully here.
Eduardo: Was it a thing that slowly crept up on you, this sense, or was it something that was just dramatically, BOOM and there it was.
Juliet: I’m guessing that it was slowly creeping up for a while. There was definitely a moment when I experienced it.
Eduardo: Was it unlike you to have ever felt that way before?
Juliet: Yes, that was definitely new for me. It was a palpable moment and it was nice because there was an audience for it, which I like.
Eduardo: How do you mean?
Juliet: I was at the Transfiguration Retreat, and we were in a group of ten students, two teachers, and a mentor. We were going around the room, and Ted Strauss asked me about my 2nd birth, and I listed a number of things that demonstrated to me that I had not had not had my 2nd birth. The last thing I mentioned was that I didn’t want to say something that made me sound like I was further along than I am. He said, “well that’s fine, it’s okay to say something that has you be less than you are.” That’s pretty much my MO – saying I’m not as far along, and less than I am. I felt busted and kind of freed and that was the moment that I felt fully here.
Eduardo: Wow. Right in front of everybody and everything.
Juliet: Right in front of everybody, which I loved.
Eduardo: Was it apparent to folks? Could they pretty much tell?
Juliet: I don’t know. It was apparent to me.
Eduardo: So your sense was in the sense of feeling present?
Eduardo: In that moment what did that feel like? How was that different from ever before?
Juliet: I felt connected to the earth, connected to my body, it felt like I inhabited my body for the first time.
Eduardo: Are there other differences from what’s been usual for you?
Juliet: The last couple of months I’ve been happy — which is much different than how I usually feel. I do feel like there’s a foundation under me, that trustable universe in a big picture kind of way.
Eduardo: That must be a source of some relief?
Juliet: Yes, it’s a huge relief.
Eduardo: When you say happy, can you explain a little and I know that’s an obvious word, but in your particular case, how does that look?
Juliet: I feel like my whole life I’ve felt kind of dark and heavy. I feel light and I also feel open to receive what’s available. Like, delightful things available. I feel like this new boyfriend is a result of that – feeling open to receive what are actually wonderful parts of the universe – for us in the material world anyway.
Eduardo: In a way you seem to be saying that by being present, and being awake in the here & now, you’re both more grounded and more open to manifest into your life things you might wish.
Eduardo: That’s very cool.
Juliet: It is very cool.
Eduardo: Do you feel like at this point you’re done, or are you just beginning?
Juliet: I feel like actually both. I don’t feel a compulsion to fix myself or to find an answer. I feel settled into the answer and at the same time it definitely feels like a very wonderful starting place. The world seems new and crisp and different. It also definitely seems like a starting place for being with myself and being with all that is and being with other people. It feels like a little bit of a fog has been lifted.
Eduardo: How do you see the effect of that fog lifting in terms of your work day, your relationships or anything like that?
Juliet: So far it seems less serious and less heavy and dark. It’s more meaningful.
Eduardo: Has your daughter noticed anything?
Juliet: I don’t know. I’ve talked to her on the phone a few times, she’s in Los Angeles. I don’t know.
Eduardo: How about your close friends that you see more frequently?
Juliet: Waking Down people say they sort of notice, other people don’t know what I’m talking about, so no.
Eduardo: Speaking of Waking Down, what role do you see that it played in this transition?
Juliet: It played the whole role.
Eduardo: It played the whole role.
Juliet: Yeah, the whole role of giving me the idea of what an awakening even is, because I didn’t even know before…. and providing the container. The Transfiguration Retreat is a very safe container. And all the teacher and mentor conversations I’ve had, opening me up and guiding me. It wasn’t possible without Waking Down for me.
Eduardo: I wonder it you could dig out an example of how that worked from your own personal experience.
Juliet: Especially the question that Ted asked in the Transfiguration Retreat meeting, something, just showing a light on a shadow aspect of my whole modus operandi. His question woke up who I was my whole life and made it like, oh! It seemed like it was not really working anymore. I think without the safety of the Transformation Retreat container, that question would have gone unnoticed. It wouldn’t have had the impact that it did.
Eduardo: So, several circumstances were converging there at that moment.
Juliet: Right, the transmission and the safety. It had me more open and vulnerable, and clearer than I am ordinarily.
Eduardo: Seems like that clarity lets you look at your foggy self or shadowy self with a new perspective it seems like.
Eduardo: You used the word transmission, can you explain just a little of what you mean by transmission.
Juliet: My idea of transmission is a mystical, magical, palpable experience of oneness. That comes from awakened teachers. It’s a gift.
Eduardo: From the place you are now, what do you feel grateful about?
Juliet: Conversations with teacher and mentors.
Eduardo: What did they do for you – those conversations?
Juliet: They gave me a clear sense of myself. They probed consciousness with me. That was something that I struggled with on my own.
Eduardo: So here you are now, perhaps the answer to this isn’t any different than before, but maybe so. What are your passions today? What excites you as you experience your life in this new way?.
Juliet: I think… I’m not sure. I think there’s way more delight being in a physical body than there was. There’s more appreciation with my connections with people. My connections with people feel deeper and more delightful.
Eduardo: You find that surprising or is that what you expected?
Juliet: It was all surprising. I had no idea what to expect.
Eduardo: In relation to your work, what do you notice?
Juliet: It’s actually made me a better worker. I’m more able to focus on what I’m doing.
Eduardo: Would you mind elaborating a little on that?
Juliet: In my work, I’m a bookkeeper. Before I kind of had a harder time attending to one task. I feel more able to sit still. Also, I’ve stopped drinking alcohol, which feels really great. That’s a big upgrade for me, physically and more mental clarity and more ease in the world.
What I had was an embodied awakening and it made me rest from seeking to find more answers.
Eduardo: Please elaborate on that.
Juliet: I feel like my whole life I’ve been a big inquirer, like, wanting to know, wanting to get to the bottom of what it means to be human. I feel like I’m taking a rest from that. It’s not driving me. I’m still interested. I feel, for now anyway, like a spectator, like an observer, but all the while being a human being watching it with a little bit more distance than I had, more distance and more closeness, more tenderness towards myself and other people. Not so tangled up and upset about watching many of the things that we do, many of which don’t work.
Eduardo: What attracted you…?
Juliet: The thing that attracted me was a friend I had, that I had done a number of these other things with over the years, who had a 2nd birth awakening and was widely soft and vulnerable, like measurably, obviously, clearly, very different. That attracted me.
Eduardo: It was in seeing people themselves who were going through a process of awakening that was a turn-on, then.
Juliet: Yes. The softness and gentleness of the teachers and the approach, it seemed to have a very deep and powerful way of transforming me and others around me. I felt like other things that I did also were transformative. The other things that I did were invasive, so I would have to take a long time to integrate. With Waking Down it’s all, kind of, real time, it just sort of happens. Integration comes with the transformation because of the seeing and the gentleness.
Eduardo: This is fascinating, Juliet.
Juliet: Right. That’s another difference for me. I don’t feel like I’ve been given instructions to do things that I can’t do. If I’m told to do something, no matter how great it is and I can’t do it then it really doesn’t make much of a difference. Waking Down is, in my sense, more of an invitation, and a really sweet invitation to me, where I am. It comes closer and deeper there.
Eduardo: I like how you’re languaging this. I’m curious what you’ve seen … that is so helpful in awakening people?
Juliet: First of all the transmission of the teachers, and also their training to listen to who you are, and where you are, and be with you there. It’s not like I felt like I was getting away with anything, like, just to sit around and sort of wallow in some stupid place where I am, but more that where I am is honored and appreciated. Honored and appreciated where I am and the teachers also have some gift to take me where I am to the next deeper place.
Eduardo: So it’s being held; that is, you’re being held as a student in this work with certain tenderness, and certain carefulness, and a respect to your uniqueness as an individual. It seems like some of that’s what you’re saying.
Eduardo: What do you see as your role here in the greater community? Perhaps it’s the same, perhaps it’s something new emerging for you?
Juliet: I think it’s the same. Actually, wait a minute – I do have an impulse to create a community in Portland where I am more than I did before. I feel like before I actually had made efforts to make a community here and I feel like the way I was doing it was too harsh or something. It had to be done my way, or none at all. I feel like I have more ability to have it be more open, have it be what it wants to be and that I have more acceptance for that. It can actually include other people instead of just me.
Eduardo: That’s really interesting to hear Juliet. Oftentimes when I’m talking to people about awakening – especially in their own personal experience that it seems to have come as part of a package deal that includes this impulse, not only to share it, but also to share in a community where that is the common ground. In the Buddhist terms they go Buddha, Dharma and then Sangha, which is one of the three jewels. I noticed that there seems to be a built in impulse in awakening to share it and to join with others to celebrate it and live it. It seems like that’s what you’re saying there with your last comment.
Juliet: Yes, I would agree.
Eduardo: Thank you very much Juliet, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me today and and answering these questions.
Juliet: I feel like you asked all the right questions.